{"id":556,"date":"2018-12-28T19:19:48","date_gmt":"2018-12-29T00:19:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/conservativeproletariat.com\/?p=556"},"modified":"2018-12-28T19:19:58","modified_gmt":"2018-12-29T00:19:58","slug":"the-paradoxical-meaning-of-white-nationalist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/conservativeproletariat.com\/?p=556","title":{"rendered":"The Paradoxical Meaning of White Nationalist"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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by Reid Fitzsimons<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I find myself making comments on articles at FoxNews.com, a seemingly benign if not necessarily wholesome activity.\u00a0 Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the level of discourse is little above insults and name-calling, but who knows what is real or trolling, whatever that actually means. My comments undoubtedly raise the level of conversation and provide cutting and sophisticated insight (trying to be humorous here), and generally receive a moderate number of \u201clikes,\u201d the standard by which we judge our existences.\u00a0 Also I often receive replies ranging from thoughtful to pure invective.\u00a0 Recently (Dec. 21st<\/sup>) I found myself in a prolonged discussion with someone using the screen name Julieplsekbrown responding to a comment I made regarding 20-year Democrat Rep. Luis Guitierrez from Chicago.\u00a0 Guitierrez, who supposedly once stated, \u201cI have only one loyalty and that's to the immigrant community,\u201d was in the news for a 6-minute harangue of the Secretary of Homeland Security, following which he departed the hearing room without listening to her response. <\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

My initial post<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Gutierrez is USA born and raised and as far as I know has\nnever lived outside USA. He spent some high school years in Puerto Rico,\nwhich, of course, is part of the USA. Curiously, I have spent a number of\nyears living and working (volunteer charity) in Central America so that I\nlikely have better credentials, so to speak, than he does in this\nregard. We both learned Spanish as a second language. What always\nimpresses me about the angry progressive mindset is the underlying belief that\nHispanics are too incompetent, incapable, and stupid to improve their own\ncountries, hence abandoning their native lands and coming to the USA is their\nonly option; essentially a racist perspective. Never does the idea cross\nhis mind that the true solution is to be found in the betterment of their own\ncountries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Julieplsekbrown first reply<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

How can you be so blind? Do you think any of this would be\nhappening if Trump didn't talk the way he does? He started off his campaign\nstating that Mexicans were rapists. I'll never forget that moment in my life.\nAnd he has just doubled-down, tripled-down on his talk that anyone from central\nAmerica is a dangerous criminal. But what is worst than Trump is how his base\ncheers this on. It was the cheering crowd after Trump made those statements\nthat has bothered me the most. I have never felt so negative towards fellow\nAmericans until I heard that. And it just keeps getting worse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

My second post<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Thanks for your reply to my comment. While I often dread the\nwords that might come from Trump's mouth (or smartphone), the inappropriate\nsentiments to which you referred are unrelated to the point that I am making. I\nmight mention that a common progressive rationale in support of immigration to\nthe US is that their native countries are filled with crime and violence, which\nironically lends support to Trump's words.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Julieplsekbrown<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

How can you say it is unrelated? Because those words aren't\ndirected to people who look like you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Me<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Again, my point is that simply fleeing one's country does\nnot solve the fundamental problems, but rather addressing the concerns within\nthe country and culture is ultimately the solution. By this I don't mean throwing\nforeign aid money at corrupt politicians, but actions and not just words by\npeople who claim to be so concerned and compassionate. For example, presently\nwe (my wife and I) are putting a young man through university (engineering) in\nHonduras with the clearly stated intent that he is not to graduate and use his\neducation as a means to come to the US, but rather for the betterment of his\ncommunity and country. Curiously, through the magic and miracles of genetics,\nthere are blond-haired white skinned people who live in Honduras and\nspecifically our little village. I also have a fair amount of Africa time and\nI'm disinclined to the \"people who look like you\" way of thinking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Julieplsekbrown (kind of\na tangential comment)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Obama was tough on immigration. No one gave him hell. Why?\nHe didn't talk about them like they were vermin we needed to exterminate. We\ncan never have a productive debate or action on immigration with Trump. Its\njust too obvious his motives are racist. I would never support anything he puts\nforth. Do you think we would be having this conversation had you all elected\nsomeone reasonable like Kasich instead of Trump? He knows better than to talk\nlike that. The repercussions are just too great to talk like that as an elected\nleader.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Julieplsekbrown (the italics are mine, and\nwhat she says pretty well speaks for itself; her statement in the following\nparagraph regarding burning flags is a little thoughtful, but she becomes\noverly dramatic, a ubiquitous progressive trait, at the end)<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

We cannot have a real discussion on immigration until Trump\nis out of office. You might sound reasonable, but if you support Trump, you\nare supporting a white nationalist agenda.<\/em> You're just not getting it. Half\nmy family is black. The way Trump talks has me scared for the future of my\nfamily. It makes me scared for anyone who may look like they are mexicans. You\njust don't understand as you are not a target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I guess its kind of like how when we see burning of the\nAmerican flag and 'death to america' chants. When I hear that kind of rhetoric\nand here crowds cheering wildly? No reasonable conversation can occur after\nthat. Its chilling. It makes me feel like America is not a safe place to raise\nchildren.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Me (Julieplsekbrown did\nnot further respond)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sitting next to me in my living room at this very moment is\na very dark-skinned young man from Kenya who I first knew in 2002-2003 as a\nvolunteer medical director at a remotely located clinic.  We brought him over here just last week on a\nnon-immigrant F1 student visa in order to attend college, again with the firm\nidea he will return to Kenya to use his education to benefit his family and\ncommunity.  Personally I think the left\nuses their hatred for Trump as an excuse to do nothing other than feel\noutraged, as if being outraged is sufficient. \nYou say if I support Trump I am therefore a \u201cwhite nationalist.\u201d  What does it mean to support Trump?  Not hate him?  Personally I have mixed feelings about him, but I admit I don\u2019t\nHATE him.  It\u2019s funny, my wife and I\nhave spent significant time, effort, and money to help improve the lives and\nopportunities for \u201cpeople of color,\u201d but progressives who do nothing but\nexpress anger would call us racists? \nWhat hypocrisy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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